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Angel Hernandez

Education Is Not the Same as Schooling - 0 views

Can schooling inhibit education?

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started by Angel Hernandez on 13 May 13 no follow-up yet
Angel Hernandez

Valedictorian Speaks Out Against Schooling - 0 views

This video contains bold, but truthful, remarks against schooling. Education is not synonymous with schooling!

http:__www.youtube.com_watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts

started by Angel Hernandez on 13 May 13 no follow-up yet
yiranyang

"Narrowing the New Class Divide" - Murray - 22 views

In response to Adrian, I agree with your opinion that parents will always do whatever it takes to get their children ahead of others. And I also believe that there is no guilty for those children ...

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started by Lauren Tripp on 02 Apr 13 10 follow-ups, last by yiranyang on 11 Apr 13
Lauren Tripp

"For Poor, Leap to College Often Ends in a Hard Fall" - DeParle - 10 views

www.nytimes.com/...a-greater-role-in-success.html

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shared by Lauren Tripp on 02 Apr 13 - No Cached
  • Lauren Tripp on 02 Apr 13
     
    Use this space to comment on any quote from this reading.
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  • Lisa Lee on 04 Apr 13
     
    I found this quote interesting: "The idea that education can be 'selfish' - a belief largely alien among the upper-middle class - is one poor students often confront, even if it remains unspoken." I think the quote generalizes a bit and, interpreted by a particularly sensitive person, could be seen as trying to induce guilt on the part of rich people (though their guilt MIGHT say something about their unacknowledged privilege). However, I can see that poor students would not want to burden their families by pursuing higher education and thus they get stuck in the cogs of poverty. To close the gap between high and low income students, I don't think we need the privileged to feel guilty for what they have or the underprivileged to feel guilty in asking for easier access to education. Maybe this is an obvious question, but why is college so expensive, anyway? What would really happen if colleges lowered tuition so higher education was actually attainable for a broader group of people? Money isn't the whole issue in why people aren't going to college, but the only argument I've heard in favor of high tuition have been to benefit the already-rich and educated.
  • nadia5sheikh on 04 Apr 13
     
    In response to Lisa: I definitely understand the meaning of the quote you chose and the inherent guilt that any student might feel because of the high cost of higher education. Building on your point about lowering college tuition, it seems that this would be an ideal goal in a society acknowledging, more and more, the growing need for a degree in the competitive global economy. If America wants to remain competitive, we must produce students capable of handling the issues of today. When more and more jobs require a college education, it seems logical that the necessary training would be more readily accessible, to all groups. Perhaps it is simply the static nature of conflicting politics that prevents change. Or, does the lack of change reflect an attempt to protect the already established class privileges, despite all of the discourse revolving around closing these gaps?
  • Adrian Miller on 04 Apr 13
     
    Lisa, I liked that quote when I read the article too. Its very interesting and makes you think. It is true that this remains unspoken and I never thought of education as selfish but when I think about it, it can definitely be seen as such.
  • Lisa Lee on 04 Apr 13
     
    Totally agree, Nadia. I don't think we're limited to 4-year liberal arts degrees, either... Vocational/trade schools prepare their students for jobs in the real world too, just in a different way. I'm thinking about that video we watched with the guy who got paid by his company to go to a trade school - that's seriously the best of both worlds! One of my professors says that more than half of the students at UF shouldn't be here because they don't want to be, they weren't wired to study liberal arts. Even though it sounds harsh, I can think of at least a few of my friends who are miserable because they think the only way they'll be happy is to be here and to get this part of their lives over with so they can start getting paid. I'm starting to go off on a tangent here, but I wonder if high school students receive more career counseling, maybe they would actually think about which jobs would give them life satisfaction and not just a 401K... Vocational college could be a great option, but we don't hear about them much! There may be some negative stigma attached to trade schools that make them seem blue collar in a white collar society, and that goes into what you mentioned about the politics of class privilege.
  • kmckay013 on 04 Apr 13
     
    Lisa Lee, In response to your last response, I'm not sure if I understand fully what your professor said. I understand that you're trying to say that students should not be here because they don't want to be, but I don't understand why being wired to study liberal arts would be a requirement for attending a college. I agree that high school students should receive more career counseling but for the most part ( I know my career counselor in high school) did not have that large of an impact on my current professional pursuits. By the time students come to college, they change their minds about what they want to do at least four or five times. Also, often what drives students to go for the 401K is because of their family situation. Whether we would like to be in a financially better position than our parents or our parents are pushing us into that desk job, they often have the largest influence on our initial thoughts of our careers. While vocational college has its merits, I think the main issue with that is that jobs that come from a vocational school are usually less respected and paid less than 4-year college jobs, as you said. Having poor students go into vocational colleges to get less well paid jobs just continues the cycle. I think we should lower tuition though. I honestly don't see why it costs so much.
  • Lisa Lee on 04 Apr 13
     
    Krystal, what I got from my professor was that there's a power structure in place that says you must go to a 4-year liberal arts college, you need that "well-rounded" education to be "qualified" for the job market (and thus achieve a certain status in society). But does an electrical engineer need to have 9 credit hours of humanities to be a good engineer? In that way, some professions shouldn't require students to be in a liberal arts program - thus, they "shouldn't be there." From a functionalist/conflict perspective (not saying it's the right perspective, just one way to look at it), those students in poverty are being denied access to higher paying, higher status jobs because they can't afford this type of liberal arts instruction. I don't know how salaries are determined, but I agree that jobs obtained through vocational schools shouldn't be stigmatized in addition to tuition being lowered at liberal arts colleges. About the career counseling, I was just wondering if high school students were more open to vocational schools, they'd take advantage of them. Sure, a student who wants a liberal arts education should be able to receive one and it's a problem that they can't. I'm not suggesting that vocational schools are the second rung, leftover alternatives where we can hide our inner city students, either. But for those students in poverty who give up altogether and don't pursue ANY higher education at all because of the cost, having guidance counselors who suggest this as an option might be helpful - assuming, of course, that they have guidance counselors in the first place.
  • Gabrilla Mustafa on 04 Apr 13
     
    "Neighborhoods have grown more segregated by class, leaving lower-income students increasingly concentrated in lower-quality schools. And even after accounting for financial aid, the costs of attending a public university have risen 60 percent in the past two decades" Schools get funded through property taxes and because of this low income communities get less money to distribute to local schools as compared to higher income communities with lots of home owners. More home owners leads to more property taxes which gets schools in high income communities more money to contribute to better qualified teachers, better technology, nicer school facilities, etc. The first step to closing the gap between high low income students is allowing schools to provide the same opportunities to all students. This can be done if all schools receive the same amount of money to contribute to student's education. Rather than funding money from property taxes directly to local schools, local governments should collect the money and distribute it evenly among schools in high and low income communities. This way all schools could afford to provide the same learning tools for all students.
  • ljohnson3 on 04 Apr 13
     
    In the article, I found the following quote to be very interesting: "With school success and earning prospects ever more entwined, the consequences carry far: education, a force meant to erode class barriers, appears to be fortifying them." I chose this quote because its saddening to see that education, typically a path that people choose to overcome low economic status, is not available for those students who are academically qualified. Low-income students already have to endure enough obstacles in order to reach a point where they are ready for college studies. By not being able to attend school or be successful in school, these students will be the ones taking the low income jobs. This is just a continuation of the widening of the gap between high and low income students. I believe that Emory's financial aid program is a beginning step to minimizing the income gap. If a student's family made less than $50K/ year, then Emory would turn some of the student's loans into grants. Also, there could be a highly recommended push for low-income students to apply for work-study programs. These programs are usually not too strenuous and are flexible to student's schedule. Overall, I do agree with the previous posts that college tuition needs to be decreased drastically. I was speaking with a friend of mine about this topic and he asked me why couldn't college be free like K-12 schooling. I didn't really know how to respond besides "Oh that's not going to happen." I did not know any legitimate reason as to why some college programs could not do this. It just seemed unrealistic for colleges to do this. Any thoughts on this question?
  • ariellelyn on 04 Apr 13
     
    Its hard to say if it was their low socioeconomic status that led them to not graduate or pass some courses in 4 years, or if it was their social group and the people that surrounded themselves. "schools may have also changed in ways that make parental income and education more important". Education could be reformed in public education by making public schools fair and even for all parents. Taking exams like SAT which determine admissions into colleges, it is important to get a good score. Those who can afford the tutors and prep classes will have a better chance of getting in. I think that there has to be other ways to do this and money should not have to be related to achievement.
  • Alexa Rose on 04 Apr 13
     
    "It's becoming increasingly unlikely that a low-income student, no matter how intrinsically bright, moves up the socioeconomic ladder," said Sean Reardon, a sociologist at Stanford. "What we're talking about is a threat to the American dream." This quote really stood out to me because it really shows the issues that we are seeing with higher education. These poor, first generation students are going to colleges that they can't afford, not knowing how the process works and how to deal with it. Without any sort of support system, they are setting themselves up for failure. In order to close the gap between high and low income students, schooling should start by being more affordable. Loans and grants should not be as difficult to obtain, and shouldn't be falsified like in this article. I also think that there should be more work-study programs for those students who have to pay their own way through college. There should also be more involvement at the high school level. Guidance counselor's need to be more helpful in preparing students for college. Especially if they are first generation college students, these kids have no idea how college works and that's not really something that you can learn without any help. In this article, one of the professors tried to reach out to the girl, which is awesome, but she wasn't very responsive and I'm concerned that would be the response of most kids who don't know what they're doing and end up failing. No one wants to admit that they failed so it's easier to just ignore it.
  • Keri Pappas on 04 Apr 13
     
    "Weekends and summers were devoted to a college-readiness program, where her best friends, Melissa O'Neal and Bianca Gonzalez, shared her drive to "get off the island" - escape the prospect of dead-end lives in luckless Galveston. Melissa, an eighth-grade valedictorian, seethed over her mother's boyfriends and drinking, and Bianca's bubbly innocence hid the trauma of her father's death. They stuck together so much that a tutor called them the "triplets." " This article brought up a lot of good points and had great example stories. This quote stuck out to me because of the influence peers and friend groups can have on an individual. Families have a huge influence on one's well being and their ability to excel in education. They also can be supportive or detrimental. Not that I am saying it is all the families fault if a student fails, but there is a strong influence. Families do the best they can and some circumstances are challenging ,like finances or trauma within a household. No matter what, a family's situations will effect someone, especially the children. But, there is an alternative when people thing in terms of support. Friend groups can be extremely influential. In my experience, this is what was where my sister and I found the most support, specifically in scholastic areas. I can relate to the "triplets' mentioned in this article. I had friends like that. Through all the chaos of one's home front, there can be outside support that can undesirably beneficial. Although the girls did not excel the way I hope hoped they would, this still brings up a good point. Another good point was the pressure of needed finances as adults and outside influences. Now as far as education reform. I see a lot of hope and promise in after school programs. An example of this working in a beneficial way is when a student is suppose to go home alone when the parent or parent is still at work. An option of just staying at school and working on homework would be
  • irivera2144 on 07 Apr 13
     
    Alexa- That quote stood out to me as well. It is an unfortunate aspect of our economic system, since cost is calculated in relation to the economic condition of the society as a whole, while the individuals are expected to satisfy this generalized goal independently. In other words, what a person must pay is dictated by the wealth of people that have nothing to do with that person, while the individual is left to rely only on his/her resources to pay that cost. It is contradictory to say that an individual has no right to another one's resources, while the resources of all others creates what is demanded of that specific individual.
  • irivera2144 on 07 Apr 13
     
    Lisa- That quote stood out to me because some of the friends I graduated high school with didn't attend college because they felt it would be inconsiderate to do so. When I asked a particular friend why he wasn't applying to colleges, he simply said "I couldn't do that to my dad". It was a response that really expanded my view of education, because I hadn't ever thought of the decision to educate oneself as one which negatively affects the family of the individual.
  • Gabrilla Mustafa on 07 Apr 13
     
    Keri- This quote stood out to me because it was shocking. I think people underestimate privilege all the time. We can't influence the family we are born into, the environment we live in, or the financial situation our caregivers are in. It would be easier if we were all dealt the same hand of cards but it's more complicated than that. These girls were not born into privileged families and the fact that these girls needed to travel out of their town because of its suppressing environment shows this lack or privilege. Future educators should work on ways to level the playing field so all students have an equal opportunity to exceed in their education.
  • Gabrilla Mustafa on 07 Apr 13
     
    Lisa-- I like this quote. I remember speaking about this during class discussion one day. Basically, it's the idea that for the wealthy or privileged there is no reason to question the education system as it today. Why would they question something that has worked for them so far?
  • Keri Pappas on 07 Apr 13
     
    Yes, I agree Lisa. I do not think there is anything positive that can come from the two extreme classes feeling any sense of guilt for their class. The solution has to come out of accepting the facts and moving on. I also agree that college is expensive! Some more than others, of course. Some areas do have no cost tuition colleges. I had a friend that was from Germany and just here for the summer. She did not pay for college. It was free where she lived. She could not understand why we were actually paying for college. Also, why pay for college and not other schooling? This is something we could work on. This system works in some areas. This change could benefit our goal for equality in education.
  • Keri Pappas on 07 Apr 13
     
    Gabrilla-Exactly! "Future educators should work on ways to level the playing field so all students have an equal opportunity to exceed in their education." I loved this thought. This is so true. Making the students feel as if they are all equal is essential. The fact is if a student "leaves his baggage at the door" in some way, they open themselves up to an entire new world. The world outside of the classroom could slip away during the day. Equality in the classroom could help everyone do well regardless of their SES. This would also promote a solid foundation and a feeling of community. This would encourage a "we are in this together" mentality, as well. There are several different ways we could change the educational structure so that the SES could matter less in terms of individuals being educated. I think the small differences we could start with could change the bigger picture more than we initially think.
  • Angel Hernandez on 08 Apr 13
     
    I can relate to this quote, coming from a working class household where both parents did not have the opportunity to be formally educated, I completely understand it. At times, when students go home and are surrounded by their peers that did not go to a 4 year university, they often feel like an outlier. Some may judge you and think that "you are all that" because you went to college while everybody else stayed here. A lot of families face hardships, and it is a custom to work as a unit to solve them for poor families. Poor families are often very connected, generations and generations can live in a household helping each other out. The guilt comes into play when the student sees that their family is struggling and they are not their to help. This is when they consider themselves selfish, they are thinking about the individual instead of the unit. Middle-class students may not face this dilemma because they are taught to be individuals, competitive, sometimes losing sight of the group. You can even say that they feel entitled to their education, that they have the right to be educated--when it is a privilege.
  • Angel Hernandez on 08 Apr 13
     
    In response to Nadia: It just doesnt make sense to me, while tuition is being raised every semester funding is also being cut. The system is not making an education affordable, and an education is necessary to be competitive. Usually when competition exists, prices decrease but that is not the case. After all, competition is what our system preaches. I've come to learn that a University is a business, and loan companies are enjoying every bit of it. It has come to a point where the costs may outweigh the benefits, students decide not to attend a university because they dont want to deal with crazy amounts of debt. The government always preaches how education is so important, but their actions dont back up their claims. This makes it so much harder for poor kids to move up the latter, just increasing the gap!
Angel Hernandez

For Poor, Leap to college often ends in a hard fall - 0 views

"Education- a force meant to erode class barriers appears to be fortifying them." I believe that education is the great equalizer, yet I agree with the quote above. Today's education system appea...

started by Angel Hernandez on 08 Apr 13 no follow-up yet
Alexa Rose

"Shadowy Lines that Still Divide" - Scott & Leonhardt - 25 views

I agree with Nadia's comment on that quote, that being stuck can be blamed on class. Class is tied into resources and income, and if you don't have the resources or income, there's really no way to...

April4assignment

started by Lauren Tripp on 02 Apr 13 12 follow-ups, last by Alexa Rose on 07 Apr 13
Lauren Tripp

"Savage Inequalities" - Kozol - 8 views

Use this space to comment on any quote from this reading.

April4assignment

started by Lauren Tripp on 02 Apr 13 no follow-up yet
Alexa Rose

PROBE paper - 0 views

I'm writing my paper on affirmative action if anyone else is also and wanted some sources! http://ic.galegroup.com.lp.hscl.ufl.edu/ic/ovic/ReferenceDetailsPage/ReferenceDetailsWindow?failOverType...

PROBE

started by Alexa Rose on 31 Mar 13 no follow-up yet
Gabrilla Mustafa

PROBE - 0 views

My paper is comparing our education system to the systems of other countries, mainly Finland! http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html?c=y&page=3

PROBE

started by Gabrilla Mustafa on 31 Mar 13 no follow-up yet
yiranyang

PROBE paper reference - 2 views

Hi all! My probe paper's topic is about language and culture in public school and I find an interesting book that is highly related in this topic. The title of the book is Culture and the Lingua...

PROBE

started by yiranyang on 31 Mar 13 no follow-up yet
khermes09

PROBE paper resource - 1 views

Hi everyone! This is a resource I am using discussing the prejudice in a classroom regarding black and white students. It talks about a study done using a "jigsaw" method that actually does a good ...

started by khermes09 on 31 Mar 13 no follow-up yet
ljohnson3

Culturally relevant teaching - 2 views

Hey class! My paper is basically going to focus on how culture impacts learning and teaching, specifically with African American students. This journal article focuses on a culturally responsive fi...

teachers education PROBE

started by ljohnson3 on 30 Mar 13 no follow-up yet
Kierstan Lee

Implicit curriculum - 1 views

Hi all! If any of you are writing your PROBE paper on the implicit curriculum, here are a few resources I've used! See also: Eisner and Flinders/Thornton course readings. Apple, M. (1971). The hid...

PROBE curriculum

started by Kierstan Lee on 30 Mar 13 no follow-up yet
yiranyang

The Making of Americans: Multiple Languages is an Issue? - 8 views

Language is a very critical part of a society. In "The Making of Americans", Hirsch emphasizes that one dominant language is very important for a society, and the mastery of this dominant language ...

started by khermes09 on 23 Mar 13 3 follow-ups, last by yiranyang on 29 Mar 13
nadia5sheikh

Arts Education - 0 views

www.pcah.gov/...PCAH_Reinvesting_4web_0.pdf

shared by nadia5sheikh on 29 Mar 13 - No Cached
  • nadia5sheikh on 29 Mar 13
     
    Hey everybody, this is a report I found from the "President's Committee on Arts and Humanities" that outlines the benefits of arts education, the current state of them in American public schools, and possible reforms to change the situation. There are a lot of good studies in here about the benefits and impacts of arts education, as well as information about arts integration programs. Hope it maybe helps someone!
Alexa Rose

Education for Extinction-cirriculum conformity - 7 views

I like that you chose an article not just about American diversity, but also about global diversity. I think that is often overlooked in the understanding of 'diversity.' When I read this article I...

started by ariellelyn on 25 Mar 13 2 follow-ups, last by Alexa Rose on 28 Mar 13
Gabrilla Mustafa

Lies My Teacher Told Me- What the world thinks of the US - 11 views

American schools teach history in a way that makes the U.S always seem like the "good guy". Students are taught that the US defends nations in need all over the world without self-interest being a ...

started by Angel Hernandez on 25 Mar 13 4 follow-ups, last by Gabrilla Mustafa on 28 Mar 13
Lisa Lee

Differences in learning for high and low levels of SES students - 14 views

Very cool. There's a study that found the greatest in-school predictor of academic success/learning gains is teacher quality, which seems to be backed up by the study you found. Some reformers take...

started by urvashisingh on 24 Mar 13 5 follow-ups, last by Lisa Lee on 25 Mar 13
Lauren Tripp

The Children in Room E4 - Race Based Academic Goals - 14 views

Looks like Virginia passed a similar policy, and this is Jeb Bush's response to it: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/24/school-expectations-should-be-colorblind/ While I don't agree th...

started by Lisa Lee on 15 Feb 13 5 follow-ups, last by Lauren Tripp on 26 Feb 13
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